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Matt Jones

Welcome to Idea Jeneration with Stephen Jen, a podcast series offering insights into long-term themes within global markets.

This is a production of Eurizon SLJ Capital, and has been recorded for professional investors. My name is Matt Jones, Head of Distribution for Eurizon SLJ Capital.

In this episode, we ask Stephen why Chinese onshore bonds should be considered as safe haven assets.

Stephen Jen

In emerging markets, bonds tend to be very unstable and very vulnerable to idiosyncratic negative shocks, whereas in China bonds behave like developed market bonds - they rally in times of stress.

What we did was we looked at the past five risk of episodes in the last 20 years, starting with GFC [global financial crisis] in 2008; we then had the European debt crisis in 2011; emerging markets sell off in 2014-15 following the taper tantrum; then we had the Chinese equity market crash 2018; and finally, the coronavirus pandemic. We calculated the performances of the various markets, the Chinese bonds, global bonds, European bonds, emerging global diversified and sterling, then the equity indices - illustrative equity indices - and we calculated how well they performed in these five episodes and we added up their performance during this these periods. And you can see the dramatic difference in performance.

The point I want to make - stress - is that there are plenty of risk on assets in the world. You've got Bitcoin, you've got the traditional equities in the world in DM and EM. But we have a shortage of reliable, safe haven assets. Even the US Treasuries can no longer be counted on as a reliable, safe haven because the yields are so low and the risks of yields rising are much higher than yields retreating back below 1%; the same with the European bonds.

The Chinese bonds still offer a high interest rate and the elasticities of Chinese bonds with respect to risk are still very well behaved - in times of stress, they rally in good times, they sell off. And in particular, the Chinese bonds seem to be the perfect ballast for UK equities.

Matt Jones

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Audio taken from the Capitalmarket.events web conference Emerging Market Perspectives, recorded on 21st April 2021

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